Jobs/Economy Balance Of Power - Normal & Paid roles

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Hello everyone!
This is something that I thought was going to be introduced but didn't. It's about choosing between a high ranking job in a clone job and a high ranking Jedi role.

Let me explain. The highest ranking people on the server are Fleet, Generals, etc. Many of them also hold the highest ranking jobs on Jedi. I think that this should change because it just leads to a handfull of people holding literally all the power on the server.

Here are some examples:
Tree - Fleet Admiral & Plo Koon (Jedi High-Council)
Pickens - Marshall Commander & Grandmaster Yoda
Undenied - Supreme General & Obi-Wan Kenobi (Jedi High-Council)

I'm not saying that these people didn't work hard for the roles that they received. However, I think it's problematic for a handfull of players to hold both the power to the Jedi hierarchy and the Clone hierarchy. So what I propose is: High command? No Jedi council.

Another point I'd like to bring up is Bobo. He's the current RC Commander and is therefore not allowed to be high command. Why the hell is this rule just for RC and not for Jedi?
What are your guy's thoughts on all of this? I'd like to know
 
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Seeing as you have made the effort to make this, I will reply to it

You mention that it is unfair that bobo cannot get to high command and get Jedi can,this Is not the case, when I was given the role of Grandmaster, I was told that I cannot get into high command which is fair.

i do not agree that Jedi council should not be allowed into high command as in a sense , think of Jedi council as Delta squad, they are not the highest rank and help run the regiment and yet Delta squad can get into high command.

The case with Grandmaster and Boss is that they are the “Commanders” of the whole regiment, it would not be fair to be both a commander and a high command member.

so before you make a post like this supposedly saying Jedi is not in the same position as RC with high command, i would suggest you do your research first👍

And as a member of High command yourself, you should know that marshal Commander is not apart of high command
 
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This topic has been in discussion for a LONG time, probably dating back one year and several months ago and this topic kept being brought up but kept being forgotten due to the fact that, the server would not be able to perform well in its current condition if we brought this rule into place, it has good intentions and I fully understand why this would exist but to have it implemented during these times would make one side struggle from the decision made by the player in that high ranking position.

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The current Jedi Council only has 1 member that do not have other high ranking IC roles, that being Lastein (Mace) [Kit Fisto/Bill is not being counted in this due to his Supreme Chancellor role, although an RP role, it still counts as an IC role and does have power in situations], if we were to implement this, then the rest of council will have to decide between Jedi and Clone role and I can guarantee most will go to the Clone role due to it having more capabilities then Jedi (in some situations). As we have 5 total council members currently, if we had this go through, we'd lose 2 or 3 at best, leaving it to 3 or 2 total council members, which will make the Jedi Order struggle with management.

Also, Pickens does not count as High Command, yes he does have great power within the clone ranks but his role does not count as the High Command role, if it did, he'd have the High Command role on discord and be treated like a High Command member.

For Bobo's thing, I do see one reason why it's affected with RC and not Jedi and it is the fact that RC are basically every regiment into one with their equipment and HPs, and if someone were to have a high ranking role in RC, which gives access to most/all the equipment RC has to offer, AND to have a high ranking fleet role, it would be seen as some-what of an Overpowered combo, High Ranking role in RC due to their extreme amount of equipment, and High Ranking Fleet due to their power over pretty much everything, including a portion of Fleet itself. I know this logic can be used against us for Jedi and to be honest, I do want this to change in the sense of, it's either both of us get this treatment or no one does, but that's what I see that being the only reason it's made for RC and not Jedi.

Overall, I agree with it, we should do this but it will do well if the server actually holds the player counts for those roles to be filled, Jedi is not exactly active enough to maintain themselves and for normal Jedi to go up into high ranking positions, which would leave all the lower Jedi rank slots either completely empty or on the brink of becoming empty. To give an example, say if 2, 3 or 4 council members go because of this, then the rest of council will have to handle Jedi, get people into high ranking roles quickly in order to stabilise a certain part of Jedi, best example being Council, and when Jedi Council roles get filled up, the people that went to council were most likely of a 1st or 2nd tier specialist, and if they went to council, a specialist slot would be lost, along with Jedi activity always being inconsistent, it'd be hard to fill these roles up.

Along with this, please say how the opinion presentation is, just wanting to look for improvements.
 
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As my Other Council Members have perfectly stated. Unless we gain a somewhat higher playerbase maybe 70+ we could think of having this rule implemented.
When it comes to both Jedi and RC, both are paid packages and should techinally be respected as having seperate lives within the server. If you have paid for a package you should be able to recieve the full propeties of that package rather than be limited with what rank you get. With Bobo not gaining High Command, i disagree with this and should allow it as my proven point earlier.

Currently Jedi Council are having low numbers with henessy now leaving. Removing the grandmaster a MoTo and a HC member will just ruin it and make it horrible to sort out. Also a point proven very easily. People have worked for these ranks. Taking them away would be absolute bullshit and anger many people who work hard for what they gain.

Let me explain. The highest ranking people on the server are Fleet, Generals, etc. Many of them also hold the highest ranking jobs on Jedi. I think that this should change because it just leads to a handfull of people holding literally all the power on the server.
Now you say "holding power" what do you mean by this. Do you mean hogging power. If so then imo your incorrect. These people have caused no issues within their reign on the server. Also this isnt literally all the power. If you look at all the people within High Command 2 out of the 6 are Jedi Council+.

I'm not saying that these people didn't work hard for the roles that they received. However, I think it's problematic for a handfull of players to hold both the power to the Jedi hierarchy and the Clone hierarchy. So what I propose is: High command? No Jedi council.
Once again i believe your incorrect. If this happens to Jedi it should happen to RC aswell otherwise thats BS. If these "handfull" of players actually complain about the power within their seperate roles then we can consider them for removal or if it seems to much for them to hold. Until then we have no point to ruin a structure that works.

You also seem to say that a "handful" of players have these High ranks however i only see the people you have mentioned yourself.
No one should be restricted at their rank due to a paid package. Until we get a higher playerbase i think we should keep what we have that we know works.
 
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First of all, Pickens, I am aware that Marshall Commander isnt high command but I still included it since it's such an important position, so no need to go off on me, I just should've worded it a bit better.

So from the "research" I've done, in RC the max rank you can get while being High Command is SGM, so it's not just Commander. I think it's unfair to just do this to RC since Jedi get way more influential positions. Take Jedi General (who are council members) for example. They are assigned to a regiment where they essentially do the same job as an assigned Fleet & MCO/BG. They hold sway over both Jedi AND the regiment their assigned, albeit less power than the fleet/gens.
(Confirmed by both Bobo^ - the max rank bit)

So council members don't just "help the regiment". They're both high ranking Jedi and high ranking officials in the clone army. I don't see your comparison between Council & Delta hold up in light of this.

I do have to say that I've found Tree's and Undenied's points of activity to be very valid.
 
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Honestly all the people who have high roles have worked hard to get there and are there for a reason. If they shouldn’t be in that time they’d be removed. Yes if there was a higher increase in players sure players should only have one high position but honestly say Tree and undenied for example have both worked hard to be admiral and supreme general as well as their council roles in jedi and are good at balancing the time they spend out in each. I see no issue with the current players we have active in DC why they should forfeit one of these roles
 
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I can completely agree to this. I know its tough to take it in when losing a role but its the fact that there should be limits to the amount of power one player can have. Also the fact that people who are high jedi or a good rank in clones is not properly balanced in between. I wont be calling them out but they dont balance the roles properly and its very unfair for players who want to achieve that rank but someone else has it and barely plays that certain role.
 
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